scorch Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 KJW KC02 Could be the ultimate skirmish GBB, Really? I have one of these, and I have a TM MP7, and now I fear disappointment if I get a "proper" GBBR. Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I do agree. Excellent performance, outstanding range & accuracy, tiny and light weight. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I do agree. Excellent performance, outstanding range & accuracy, tiny and light weight. Can't argue with that tbh, now I've given it some thoguht. Is quite nice just going out with a lightweight bandoleer instead of a plate/chest rig. Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Yup exactly what I did. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Have you considered a Tippmann M4? Excellent reliability out of the box after some tweaks. Cheap Co2 magazines which allow you to shoot 60+ shots per magazine. Lots of noise and recoil. Capable of switching between Co2 in magazines to Co2 or HPA in a bulk tank using a remote line. Takes AEG barrels, stocks and front ends. Setting aside whether something can be reliable "out of the box after some tweaks" (either it doesn't need the tweaks and it is reliable out-of-the-box, or it does need the tweaks and therefore isn't reliable out-of-the-box), the Tippmann isn't a competitor against traditional GIM GBBRs. Shot-to-shot consistency when using the CO2 bulbs is poor, the magazines vent when you eject them regardless of how much gas is left in the capsule - which is simultaneously unrealistic, inconvenient and deeply wasteful - and the recoil is pretty weak, from what I've heard. The Tippmann is pitched as a cheaper alternative to other remote-line systems, which are enjoying a resurgence in the US - not so much against the pricey, hard-kicking, maintenance-intensive DaytonaGuns and other Escort-based systems, but against HPA-fed solenoid systems like the Polar* Fusion Engine, Wolverine SMP, and Valken V12. It would be a bit of a disappointment after a well-sorted WOC, I think. I do agree. Excellent performance, outstanding range & accuracy, tiny and light weight. Miserable recoil, though (that's not that different from the real 10/22, admittedly). Link to post Share on other sites
TB-Stalker Posted April 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Well this is the last GBBR I built, got to decide whether to build another or just buy one :/ Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Well the lm4 v2 should be decent if the price stays the same. Tbh, look I'm not fan of kwa but for the price it should beat the we m4. We still talking just the m4 gun? Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Miserable recoil, though (that's not that different from the real 10/22, admittedly). True facts. So to recap for the hard of thinking... The WE G36 is probably the one to go for? Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 +1 on the WE G36. Link to post Share on other sites
Katotaka Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 now I fear disappointment if I get a "proper" GBBR. Legit, think about powering much heaver moving parts / stronger springs / etc. with the same power source. Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 +2 on WEG36, just bulky magazines. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Yea my g36 works well, not much of a looker. Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I also have a we mp5, works like a champ aside from those finnicky mag levers. I've had a few dead man clicks in the heat of the moment that cost me a few kills. Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Setting aside whether something can be reliable "out of the box after some tweaks" (either it doesn't need the tweaks and it is reliable out-of-the-box, or it does need the tweaks and therefore isn't reliable out-of-the-box) Touche. I should have been more clear. Out of the box, the Tippmann requires that the user properly configure the gun's FPS and ROF. The fully automatic function in particular needs to be adjusted ("tweaked") to insure proper function. Getting the gun to function reliably requires the user to read the manual and adjust some of the gun's settings if issues occur much the same way that Polarstar or Daytona Gun users need to make adjustments. Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Pure_Silver: You'd probably change your opinion if you got to play around with it. The recoil is super crisp and the CO2 mag system is very nice. Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Does the Tippman puncture the co2 cart when the mag is inserted? If so, using a refillable cart eliminates the venting co2 problem as it has a valve. Link to post Share on other sites
TB-Stalker Posted April 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 True facts. So to recap for the hard of thinking... The WE G36 is probably the one to go for? NO TO RECAP THE WE G36 WAS NOT ON THE ORIGINAL LIST! Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Ghk +devilhunter mod. End thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I agree it would be pretty much the perfect GBB, but it still has an AEG hop. I guess fit an R-hop? Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Ghop over r hop. Easy, same results. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I vote for the WE M4 platform. Solid out of the box and tons of mods and upgrades available. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 We is great, I used one for 1.5 years only upgrade, npas, Bucking, barrel broke 1 nozzle from ham fisting mags in. Closed chamber Link to post Share on other sites
tquilha Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 +2 for WE. especially open-bolt system. I have a 416 and a G36C as my primaries, and so far not any hint of trouble. Only upgrades for me are NPAS (to get the FPS at legal limit) and a new hop rubber (standard ones are poo). Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 And performance gas. Not kingarms rebrand stuff. You spend money use good stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Shot-to-shot consistency when using the CO2 bulbs is poor, the magazines vent when you eject them regardless of how much gas is left in the capsule - which is simultaneously unrealistic, inconvenient and deeply wasteful - and the recoil is pretty weak, from what I've heard. Does the Tippman puncture the co2 cart when the mag is inserted? If so, using a refillable cart eliminates the venting co2 problem as it has a valve. Watched a video of the operation so the above is a fact. Venting solved for those choosing to power the gun with 12g carts. Link to post Share on other sites
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