79TransAm Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 An idea came to me while writing a scenario that involved POW's and civilians. What do you think, if you were allowed to execute a prisoner or civilian you needed to get information from? what i'm talking about is this- you need to get information from a POW they refuse to talk. You take your squad and line up 15 feet away, give the POW one last chance to talk and if they refuse ONE person fires ONE BB from a GBB into the body. You could also have it be part of the POW's or civilians role to try and stay alive so being executed would be bad for them. What do you think? Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 How about no? how about the bang rune? bang your now executed. If someone shot me at close range like that, i would slap them silly... Link to post Share on other sites
Kov Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Sounds fun and I have done something like it myself. We play a downed pilot game where two teams try and get to a pilot. One team wants to save him, the other teams wants to interigate him. Needless to say, you sometimes have to beat the info out of the person. Only thing, I wouldn't actualy shoot them. I know its a bit "OOC" but we tend to pretend to beat the ###### out of them (we don't actualy hit them or anything, but you know that its ok to shove your friend around a little bit and joke about eating his intrails. When we kill them we usualy just tell them "I just shot you in the head, you are dead buddy". Its great amoung friends or people who know each other. You can even shoot them if they are ok with it. On one instance one of my mates shot the pilot in the foot, he didn't talk, so he worked his way up I have used hostages as meat sheilds, cannon fodder, and even decoys many times. Hand him an unloaded AEG and dress him up like you... then wait for the good guys to shoot him and wonder why they lost the game Kov Link to post Share on other sites
79TransAm Posted January 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 How about no? how about the bang rune? bang your now executed. If someone shot me at close range like that, i would slap them silly... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Considering that the average bang rule distance is 10ft. Also it would be explained that this end result is a posabililty to all players. I was thinking this would be more geared towards actual millsim players, it adds a sense of realism to the simulation Link to post Share on other sites
tito_1985 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Well If its a private field and all parties are ok with it go for it. Personally I wouldn't do that at all like was mentioned before just say bang. Link to post Share on other sites
Kov Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Do it with friends... sim players tend to be a little... over the top anyway. Just avoid the situation and let them know that you just disemboweled them with your bayonet and then started to eat their entrails with your bb container. Link to post Share on other sites
Naked Singularity Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Had seen only one situation where an unarmed prisoner was executed. Me and a couple of guys were trying to get some info out of a hostile we nabbed on a raid. The guy refused to talk. We kept pressing him. Our squad leader (who was watching the events unfold from a distance) got sick of it and decided to put an end to it. He walked up to us, stopped twenty feet away from the prisoner, drew his sidearm, and shot the prisoner twice in the head (full-face paintball mask). That sent him right back to the spawn point. Personally, I would try and keep prisoners alive just for the fun of it. I still would shoot them if ordered to. However, I made a vow the first day I picked up an Airsoft gun: I would never shoot women when I have an obvious advantage on them. That includes unarmed female hostages and female hostiles caught unawares. If I came up behind a girl without her knowing, I would usually fire a burst over her head, give her a chance to return fire, and then cut her down. Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I would never shoot women when I have an obvious advantage on them. That includes unarmed female hostages and female hostiles caught unawares. If I came up behind a girl without her knowing, I would usually fire a burst over her head, give her a chance to return fire, and then cut her down. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Common sentement, and its fun to take advantage of Dont treat us like were special. we have a gun, you have a gun, whats the difference? were on the playing field as equals, and i expect the same treatment, or its not fun, or challengeing. Give me time to react like that and you will rue it on the walk back to the safe zone Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I have abandoned this "don't hit women" or "don't shoot at girls"-thing years ago. For the former, I would rather say "don't hit people regardless of sex" and for the latter Belladonna already said it. No mercy for the opponent if they stepped into the field. It's you or them. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 if a woman had a real gun pointed at you? or you had the edge in real combat? you would pause, and you would die... so what, we have boobs, get over it... Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Boobs are sexy... but I digress. Frankly, I find the act of executing prisoners to be dispicable. If you capture a guy (or gal), you tell them that the war is over for them and have them escorted to the waiting MPs. If you decide to pull a field interrogation of a captured enemy and they tell you nothing other than their name, rank, and serial number, that's fine. If you're on my team and you shoot a prisoner, I shoot you, simple as. If there are a bunch of prisoners and you shoot one and the rest jump on you, I'll just watch. Any order given to execute a prisoner is an illegal order and it is the duty of any trooper given such an order to refuse to obey and report their superior at once to their superior. If your superior attempts to get someone else to do it, you frag them. Link to post Share on other sites
Skorn Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 That's taking it quite seriously :/ Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Let's say you did have a POW. What possible reason would they have to tell you whatever information you wanted? I mean, it's airsoft people. They're not going to die if they don't give you the information and they're not going to get tortured. Sure, they could pretend to break and spill the beans, but unless it's all pre-planned, it's not going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites
Samm Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 If I came up behind a girl without her knowing, I would usually fire a burst over her head, give her a chance to return fire, and then cut her down. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's a little bit discrimatory and belittling, don't you think? And this thread is soo not milsim. Link to post Share on other sites
minimiman Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Would I kill (figuratively speaking) a prisoner....yes Does it matter if they are female or not.....no Would I shoot them.....depends on the rules of the game Would I use the bang rule.....again, depends on the rules of the game. It all depends on the game your playing, the rules you have set and the players that are participating. In a themed game, where prisoners are an important part, there are times shooting them is more efficient and doesn't tie up guards and escorts, if your playing the role of a brutal dictator....fill your boots and execute all and sundry, if however your playing a peace keeping or soldier from a particular army with strict engagement rules and abide by the geneva convention....then no. As to shooting somebody or going bang, if everybody agrees thats fine, then a single center of mass shot is the best way, if however people don't want to be shot a close range....it's not acceptable. I personally like the doubt that shooting somebody includes, i.e. will their gun work, is it loaded, will they miss, if I move I may gain an advantage, can I gut him with my larp knife before he draws his pistol. You just don't get those things with somebody saying bang. i would rather have a further element to a game than worry about a single center of mass shot which will probably hit a tac vest and only register from the sound anyway. As long as everybody is in agreement, there shouldn't be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites
Samm Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Curious question; has anyone ever encountered a person so finicky that they get seriously upset about being shot at close range, especially by one shot? I play the game expecting it to happen really. Link to post Share on other sites
Boba_Fett Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 How about a water canteen and a towel? How about torture? Jesus.... It´s a game....I never shoot at un-armed people or others within minimum range.....ever thought about the public effect? Link to post Share on other sites
fish_in_a_barrel Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 give the POW one last chance to talk and if they refuse ONE person fires ONE BB from a GBB into the body. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How about jumpleeds and a car battery..................... Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Can't really see the point of this myself. I'm a POW (somehow) and you need information from me to help you win the game. I refuse. You shoot me. The game goes on and you still lack the information you need. Is there ever going to be anybody who would capitulate and give up the information? The problem with any kind of prisoner/hostage scenario is that airsoft isn't real and there's no real incentive to becoming a prisoner rather than trying to shoot it out. 99.99% of all players will always refuse to become or remain a prisoner and will, instead, take a shot and toddle off to respawn. About the only really decent prisoner scenario is where shot players can be taken prisoner and held in a prison to stop them respawning. That will force the other team to mount rescues to get their team-mates back. Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Andrews Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 You could engineer the game so that people likely to be captured - small patrols etc have fairly important information that their team requires - supply/ammo dump locations etc. They then have to be released by their team mates. Trouble is, this level of complexity requires a small amount of intelligence and common sense. And we are talking about airsofters.............. Link to post Share on other sites
Samm Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 About the only really decent prisoner scenario is where shot players can be taken prisoner and held in a prison to stop them respawning.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Or one life scenarios. Link to post Share on other sites
Hoppum Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 And whilst your team is debating the rights and wrongs of 'executing' a prisoner the other team come along and spray you with their 'high-caps'. Your all 'dead' and the other team 'wins'. But in war/skirmishes are there really any real winners? Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 That's a fair point. You could set something up so that a bunch of people all had a bit of paper with a number on it and those numbers all had to be put together to give you a combination to a lock or a telephone number or something. Interesting idea but exactly where the idea of executing players would fit in is anybody's guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Samm Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Quiet you! *executes Stealthbomber* Link to post Share on other sites
Ego Terrorist Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I wouldn't be too keen on the idea of taking a BB hit at close range as a POW, nor would I be keen on shooting the POW (I'd be fine with the bang rule). Personally the only use that I can think of for POW is hostage exchanges and human shields. Well... maybe I should re-think the last bit... Link to post Share on other sites
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