Hispeed1 Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I wonder how they are getting around being sued for that one. P3 has multiple patents in the US for mini-guns. Patents, trademarks, infringements, etc. I think not too many in the airsoft industry cares about those, as you have noticed... Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I believe Piper only has patents for a gas-operated system. Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Figures!!!!!! I just ordered a P3 minigun for myself for Christmas. A minigun is the very top of the airsoft/real steel small arms food chain. If the price is right (sub 1500.00) Ill get one of these as well. *Shrugs* Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 !!! Oohh man... if they can make this thing available for $500 or less than they can count on me buying one for sure! I'm still in need of a good support weapon and a Minigun would beat the pants off a M249 or M60. Somehow I'm doubting that it will be less than $1,000, but we'll see... Echo1 has become known for very low prices so we'll see how this pans out. Link to post Share on other sites
RedScare Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 GET TO DA CHOPPA I really want one Link to post Share on other sites
wraith922 Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Wow, I likey! I'm the SAW gunner on my squad, so this would be the uber choice, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
judgeman Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Hm. Don't know how I feel about this one. It would be a great idea for mounting on the back of a truck for the huge-style games, I just fear the SAW-crazy idiots who would have three of these on their team. Personally i'm holding out untill one of these clone companies hoarks out a Tanaka 870 clone. Link to post Share on other sites
The Saint Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 ...I just fear the SAW-crazy idiots who would have three of these on their team. I'm scared that holding a minigun will also encourage the person to hold down the trigger. 400fps and diminished inclination for trigger control makes for a bad combination in my book. Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I figure it'll suck in anything less than a support role. If the price was right, I'd buy two and mount them on a pickup truck. Link to post Share on other sites
MDK_Marshal Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I'd be willing to bet money that the battery that comes with it will be a mini and the rate of fire will suck Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I did not expect this also.. WOW... I'll only but it if its in the $200-300 range... yes, I expect too much... considering the m249 was already $350ish. I find no use for this at all except shredding boxes (my own special skillz).. and it'd be costly for the bbs... I think a M60 would be nicer... this would be a great stress reliever... Hey, I went to poweredge last week and saw two miniguns hanging from the ceiling which I've never seen them have before.. Shinden! Was that one of them? Is it possible Poweredge somehow got the first batch? Link to post Share on other sites
AliceHKfan Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 clone of the Creation one? Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 clone of the Creation one? Now that would burst alot of bubbles. IIRC, the Creation one is a clone of the Toytec one. Either way, until we see a video of it firing from a magazine like the Creation one or even a listing on a retailers site, we don't know for sure. Even though I ordered my P3 minigun back in August (to be delivered in December), I am secretly hoping it is a clone of their design. Link to post Share on other sites
choffman10 Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 This is awesome!!! Except, who makes this? Because E1 doesn't really make anything so..... Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 This is awesome!!! Except, who makes this? Because E1 doesn't really make anything so..... Allizard said Echo1 is codeveloping the product.. so no rebrand... Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 But Echo 1 only rebrands stuff, they don't produce anything themselves, right? So this could be the P3 or the Creation, just rebranded and hopefully cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I don't see people running around with P3 mini-guns due to the cost, However this is by far not the first "mass produced mini-gun" one was released by Creation, again price being the limiting factor, but then there are the Asahi mini-guns that are no more expensive than Ino M60s, if you can find them. I wouldn't worry about these coming out on the fields, most the people I see buying these are either doing it simply for fun, or most likely would ditch it due to weight and the lack of maneuverability of the thing. The other group that would covet it I don't see buying it because even if it is plastic, the gun would still be bigger and heavier than they are. Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 But Echo 1 only rebrands stuff, they don't produce anything themselves, right? So this could be the P3 or the Creation, just rebranded and hopefully cheaper. Read my last post Echo1 is codeveloping the product. I wouldn't fear about Noobs with this, i mean theres so limited movement you can do with this on the field.. they'll just end up getting PWNed by M4s all around them.. Link to post Share on other sites
Halfgum Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 If echo1 made either a m249 or m60 i would go for it but this is a little too much. I mean think of the cost to feed this thing! Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I don't see people running around with P3 mini-guns due to the cost Very True. I can vouch for the extreme expense. I wouldn't worry about these coming out on the fields, most the people I see buying these are either doing it simply for fun, or most likely would ditch it due to weight and the lack of maneuverability of the thing. The other group that would covet it I don't see buying it because even if it is plastic, the gun would still be bigger and heavier than they are. Depending on price, I'm sure these will sell well. The Gee Wiz factor alone will make people buy them assuming they have the disposable cash, even if it will only be used for shredding boxes. Pipers minigun is 37" long, so if this thing is close to that size (looks like it) but half the weight it is feasible to see a bunch of these at skirmish sites. 37" is long, but thats shorter than a full size FAL, a SVD Dragunov. A bit unweildy, but balance it with a good sling, and a light weight minigun might actually be comfortable to carry. My G36K with all the trimmings weighs 14 pounds, and after a 8hr skirm I feel it. Link to post Share on other sites
obsessedwithairsoft Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 man, this is gonna suck at ops for us low-cap users... and i run a G3, so i have 20 round mags. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Keep in mind the P3 only holds 3000 or so (If memory serves) BBs and fire at several thousand rounds per minute, so you won't be able to fire all that long. IIRC there is one member here, minisupport I think his name is, that uses a Piper's for a support role, and ammo was one of the problems. You can hook up external feeds though, I think. ZOMG! Cud thiz be Darklite's secret?! Seems too weird to be true, if you ask me. But let's see... Link to post Share on other sites
kevshin21 Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I am not sure if that is a smart move by echo 1 because I think it would be smarter of they made a decent SAW or m60. That being said who wants to do the heavy arms impression from teamfortress 2? Link to post Share on other sites
maccrage Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Hey, I went to poweredge last week and saw two miniguns hanging from the ceiling which I've never seen them have before.. Shinden! Was that one of them? Is it possible Poweredge somehow got the first batch? No, Poweredge has had those for quite a while. At least 3 years that I know of. They used to be on top of the knife case, but with the rearranging of the shop probably had to be moved. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I am not sure if that is a smart move by echo 1 because I think it would be smarter of they made a decent SAW or m60. Actually, I think this is a really smart move. There are already several makers of both the M60 and SAWs. However, there isn't a single manufacturer selling the minigun at a semi affordable price range (assuming that the Echo1 version will at least be half the price of the P3). The basic package for the P3 minigun is $5,500.00. If Echo1 can make their version and sell them for less than $1,200 they'll have people buying them. If they can get the price below $1,000 sales will be very strong. I don't doubt that these will be difficult to make and even though they'll be mostly plastic, still reasonably expensive. At the same time Echo1 have to consider the fact that they'll be competing with other AEG manufacturers who make heavy weaponry (like 249s and other support weapons) which are all metal and high quality. In order for them to stay competitive and keep sales strong they'll have to at least try and match the G&P M249 price tag of $800 +/-. Otherwise, the Echo1 minigun will still be perceived as a "cheaper than the P3, but still expensive novelty AEG". Would love to see a pair of these installed on stationary post, like at a bunker/fort on top of a hill, or on the top of a Humvee. Link to post Share on other sites
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