accuracy Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 So does anyone know if the AFC WE M4 from Airsoft Buddy is version 2 or not? Also, How do you take down a mag the the valve at the top? I got the res apart but I'm not sure where to go from here! yes they are v2. Here are clues to tell whether we m4's are v2. Annodized receiver Reinforced parts Trademarks 330-350fps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pollux77 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I've had difficulties with unscrewing the top valve too, here's ho I did it. I took a flathead screwdriver where the tip has a 1cm width. Then I took a angle grinder and cut a slot in it. Took less than 5 minutes to make it work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4boost Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I've had difficulties with unscrewing the top valve too, here's ho I did it. I took a flathead screwdriver where the tip has a 1cm width. Then I took a angle grinder and cut a slot in it. Took less than 5 minutes to make it work! Add it to the wiki! Btw, I've updated a bunch of the takedown guides. I just need to go back tonight and add pictures to everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pollux77 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Update on my faulty valve: The problem isn't the valve. It's the magazine itself. It is the one mag wich caused trouble all along, with a breaking follower and bolt-catch-lever and so on. I switched both valves to both magazines. Both valves work fine in Mag#2 while #1 is leaking out gas. I may have looked in the wrong spot in my first post concerning the mag - the gas comes at the rear of the upper valve where the hammer hits, not from the upward port. A visual inspection showed no differences in both mags, maybe the factory drilled the hole for the valve a litte irregularly. I'll ask william if he would replace the whole mag for me, at least its worth a try... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Slight update for those getting the WE M4 from landwarrior - They are reportedly being sent out today to pre order customers (arrival monday) They have the matt finish on the reciever (not the original gloss one) so good news there One tested by LW was quite warm out of the box so best to test them before taking them out gaming They do NOT have the extra inner barrel but the extension outer barrel does unthread (might have to hack my barrel) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Add it to the wiki! Btw, I've updated a bunch of the takedown guides. I just need to go back tonight and add pictures to everything. LOL...there is absolutely NO NEED to add thios to to the wiki. Making tools? What the christ? The tips of a set of small needle nose fit right in! Why are are people making a turkey dinner out of this?? TWO SECONDS work..... Dont make tools....you dont need to. Full credit to user -I- Edited February 13, 2009 by rottenotto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pollux77 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 No offense otto, but ther's a lot of people out there who are not professionaly working with tools, so any picture might help I, for example, could not get the valve in your picture off the silver rod. I didn't try too hard, but my usual pliers just scarred the rod... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) ^ Well I hope those pics help. I want to keep "WE Ownership" SIMPLE. Making tools just seems so unnecessary and not simple. Especially when the parts disassemble in seconds with ordinary pliers. Make sure your twisting the correct end - see pics. You just HOLD the bottom of the valve (keep it from turning) with the tool. Edited February 13, 2009 by rottenotto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris u'5 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Slight update for those getting the WE M4 from landwarrior - They are reportedly being sent out today to pre order customers (arrival monday) They have the matt finish on the reciever (not the original gloss one) so good news there One tested by LW was quite warm out of the box so best to test them before taking them out gaming They do NOT have the extra inner barrel but the extension outer barrel does unthread (might have to hack my barrel) I've gotta say that news is a bit disappointing. But I suppose you could you a silencer to cover the longer inner barrel when using the shorter outer barrel? Do you have it confirmed Gaz that they are the newer anodized finish? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HSOJGNILRAD Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 LOL...there is absolutely NO NEED to add thios to to the wiki. Making tools? What the christ? The tips of a set of small needle nose fit right in! Why are are people making a turkey dinner out of this?? TWO SECONDS work..... Dont make tools....you dont need to. Full credit to user -I- Otto what he is talking about is the output valve on the magazine. I for one think it is a great idea for the fact I destroyed the slots on a valve. You need the tool to remove these valves but this would work just find. Oh by the way Otto your method on taking apart the valve head works beautifully Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pollux77 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Yeah, I think there was a misunderstanding - my tool was designed for the upper magazine valve, I should maybe have stated that more clearly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Yeah, I think there was a misunderstanding - my tool was designed for the upper magazine valve, I should maybe have stated that more clearly AH!!! Many many apologies!!! LOL...in that case, its a good idea! I have the Western Arms/KSC valve tool from Guarder (Intruder shop). And it cost me more than I wanted to. The mod to the flat screwdriver you did is a quick and less expensive alternative to ordering the tool from Hong Kong. Well deserving of the wiki post. Good job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Chris I will confirm on monday when they arrive mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris u'5 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Chris I will confirm on monday when they arrive mate Cheers Gaz! I'll look forward to your report Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 you might have to wait until i'm out of ammo and gas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marky [UE] Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 you might have to wait until i'm out of ammo and gas Welcome on board to all those in the UK waiting for Monday to arrive. Here is my checklist: Sort any leaky mags out Gas Leak > Magazine Fix any non working bolt stop switches on the mags (I will take some piccies for my issues if that might help) Field strip the rifle Basic Takedown Remove the factory "drool", I certainly had plenty and it does affect how the rifle performs in my opinion Smooth the entrance to #112 so it feels smooth to touch (1500 > 2000 grit wet sandpaper), I managed in situ but better to remove Lubricate as per the Wiki maintenance instructions Basic Maintenance > Oiling Lubricate #39 with a high performance lubricant like Krytox (I used Abbey Dri Slide, not fully tested yet) Secure the valve assembly and thread lock bolt #36, ensure perfect alignment of the valve assembly Advanced Maintenance > Bolt Carrier - #36/#122 That's all I did before the first shot, nothing broken yet and very happy so far I know this is bit of a repeat but if it helps somebody great. I can confirm that you will run out of everything pretty quickly. You just can't put a good thing down I had to place an order for ammo and gas mid-week after blowing my fairly significant supplies I finally dug out my HDV camera today and attempted to shoot some video. It would seem that my firewire cable has walked though On another note my RS parts research just caused me to order Magpul Dynamics - The Art of The Tactical Carbine 3-Disc DVD Set Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rfisherjr Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) So are the AFC ones on Airsoft buddy website the version 2? There is 2 versions of the rifle. Version 1 (AFC) Is sold through the WE training division and can only be purchased through them and they have full distribution rights. It has a lower FPS (330-350) It has steel bolt catch It includes cqb barrel It has anodized Receiver Version 2 (export version) Is sold through the WE factory and anyone can distribute these. The have higher FPS (450-500+) Now include steel bolt catch Has black painted body Comes with cqb barrel (most cases) For what its worth I have opened up my pre-order for my second batch of WE m4's arriving Feb. 24th (approx). I only get the AFC versions. I have some parts ordered and may have additional ones as well. www.airsoftammosupply.com Edited February 14, 2009 by rfisherjr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
freq88 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 curious as to how you got 30+2 for the ammo capacity Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4boost Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 curious as to how you got 30+2 for the ammo capacity I'm not sure what or who you're asking but the mags actually hold 33 bb's. However, it is not recommended to load the mags to 33 as there is no room for the spring to compress when loading the magazine without locking the bolt back first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
freq88 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Sorry I should've made myself clearer This was directed at the vendor of www.airsoftammosupply.com aka rfisherjr. On his website under both the magazine and the Rifle it states that the WE has 30+2 ammo capacity. Also 30+2 = 32 and not 33. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 There is 2 versions of the rifle. Version 1 (AFC) Is sold through the WE training division and can only be purchased through them and they have full distribution rights. It has a lower FPS (330-350) It has steel bolt catch It includes cqb barrel It has anodized Receiver Version 2 (export version) Is sold through the WE factory and anyone can distribute these. The have higher FPS (450-500+) Now include steel bolt catch Has black painted body Comes with cqb barrel (most cases) For what its worth I have opened up my pre-order for my second batch of WE m4's arriving Feb. 24th (approx). I only get the AFC versions. I have some parts ordered and may have additional ones as well. www.airsoftammosupply.com A bit of a correction, Riddick: WETTI-AFC Custom Version 2 (ver.1 is not available anymore) is sold through the WE training division and can only be purchased through them and they have exclusive distribution rights. FPS rate can be custom-ordered (as per requested) It has steel bolt catch It includes extra 6.03mm cqb barrel It has anodized bod (upper & lower) "Export version" is sold through Taiwan toy exporters. The have higher FPS (450-500+) Now include steel bolt catch Has black painted body NO CQB barrel is included (that's a WETTI-AFC Custom exclusive) www.airsoftammosupply.com is now a fully-authorized dealer of all WETTI-AFC Custom WE products (AWSS M4, AWSS SCAR, all replacement parts & accessories), as well as soon-to-be released 3rd-party after-market improvement parts (steel & CNC parts) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WETTI Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Hello to all WE AWSS M4 owners (& everyone else on Arnies)!! Thank you very much for this wonderful post!! I'm truly impressed!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Involved6 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) Wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't point out that the literal meaning of 30+2 means there's space for 30 rounds in the magazine and 2 in the chamber. Im really looking for a gun that will shoot a solid 400-425fps with .25s, but cannot be any higher. Which version is recommended. Edited February 14, 2009 by Involved6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marky [UE] Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Hello to all WE AWSS M4 owners (& everyone else on Arnies)!! Thank you very much for this wonderful post!! I'm truly impressed!! Welcome to the HUGE arnies forum thread. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marky [UE] Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Has anyone tried an RA-Tech or Real Steel recoil spring replacement? What would be the positives/negatives? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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