Stealthbomber Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Lets face it, if everyone used what was 'best' or 'practical' in airsoft most people would not be using the guns they do... I use an ICS M4... cos it's practical. I DO reckon this is a great toy though so I guess there's still hope for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I use an ICS M4... cos it's practical. I DO reckon this is a great toy though so I guess there's still hope for me. Indeed, I was going to say if everyone used what was the most practical then I suspect everyone would be running around with ICS M4s or P90s with M4 mag conversions, thankfully airsoft isn't like that so we do get some pretty cool looking products like this Link to post Share on other sites
-l- Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Clock 18C.... Check Extended mag .... Check ITI M3 Tac Light .... Check FMG preorder.... Check Some what I predict it will not perform as well as the KSC MP7, but it who cares. The FMG looks cool. I may do a comparision report of MP7 and FMG when i got the kit. Link to post Share on other sites
Lon Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 While I do understand all the nut-busting revolving around this gun, I'd much prefer a holstered G18C with a 50 rounder for practicality's sake. If I was a secret agent... or doing a secret agent loadout for airsoft, sure, I'd be all over it. ...It's definitely something different, that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 System 7 is based on the KSC Glock system from what I recall.... System 7 is not available in the KSC glock series. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 To be fair to the real gun, it probably allows a user to shoot a G18-based weapon in a much more controlled manner so it's useful. It's totally pointless for airsoft though. Useless for you doesn't mean useless for airsoft in general. Hell, I'd be willing to assume that most of airsoft is collecting and not skirmishing. Most of the airsoft world doesn't post on Arnies. The real gun is, allegedly, designed to allow users to take a gun places where the sight of a gun might un-nerve people. How's that useful in airsoft? That alleged sole purpose is not useful in an airsoft skirmish, but see above. Sure, if you want to lug a gun around in case your primary goes on the fritz then fair enough. Thing is, airsoft is not life and death. I go back to my car and get another gun if my primary packs up. Airsoft also doesn't happen at ranges where a shoulder-fired weapon can outshoot a pistol. My Mk23 and I have proved this on numerous occasions. Useless for you doesn't mean useless for airsoft. I don't play quick games where my car is a 5 minute walk away. Walking to the car to get my backup on average would take about 45 minutes on average in my games. And while shoulder fired might not make much sense to you, I definitely notice a difference in shot to shot accuracy between handguns and shoulder fired guns. I find there is quicker consistency in shoulder fired guns especially at longer ranges. Airsoft pistols are usually capable of AEG ranges, you just don't get the accuracy and consistency. There's no practical reason in airsoft why this is more useful than a decent pistol. In fact, using one as a primary for CQB is a definite step backwards from summat like a P90 or a KAC PDW IMO. Practicality is not its strong suit as a primary. It's only purpose in life was for concealed carry and that's not a requirement for airsoft. Yeah, but what's really required for airsoft? I'm quite happy to accept it as a desirable item on the basis that it's a super-cool toy but let's not kid ourselves that it actually provides a solution to some problem that's plagued airsofters since the dawn of time, eh? It's not going to change the nature of airsoft. But it fits a niche and just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for airsoft, in fact the only problem that really plagues airsofters is that they keep airsofting. Link to post Share on other sites
mojo Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Thats because system 7 is glock internals configured to fit in all the other KSC platforms Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I couldn't care less for full auto on it, the best gas gun on full auto is the Hicapa extreme (IMO), and even then its still a bit tempremental. You got one? Review plz? Anyway, all this discussion about the point of this FPG is funny. That's like demanding to know what's the point of all AEGs other than the MP5K, since they're just the same in a much bulkier package. The extended inner barrel and the stock more than justifies the FPG, from a purely practical, technical perspektive. Never mind the plain fact that these folding SMGs are pure win, I mean just look at it. Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Seems like the most useless part in airsoft history No hard feelings, but is there any practical point for this? Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Coolness factor and bragging rights, mainly XD. Link to post Share on other sites
RC-1138 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Far from useless lol, really just different. Anybody who milsims will likely be able to appreciate this as it will make capture/escort missions far more interesting if the VIP has one of these boxes. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 but is there any practical point for this? Nope. You shouldn't buy it. Link to post Share on other sites
RC-1138 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Nope. You shouldn't buy it. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 System 7 is not available in the KSC glock series. Thats because system 7 is glock internals configured to fit in all the other KSC platforms This. Moaning that you can't get System 7 in Glocks is a bit pointless since, erm, well they've always had it in a sense and have always been quite a lot better from what I've found, particually in freezing (and under) temperatures where some of my KSC guns play up but my KWA/KSC G19 marches on and carries on working happily which is why I don't mind the idea of it being based on the KSC Glock system. Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 This. Moaning that you can't get System 7 in Glocks is a bit pointless since, erm, well they've always had it in a sense and have always been quite a lot better from what I've found, particually in freezing (and under) temperatures where some of my KSC guns play up but my KWA/KSC G19 marches on and carries on working happily which is why I don't mind the idea of it being based on the KSC Glock system. then how come they all fail, but my TM glock does not? Nor dus my USP compact. of well, doesn't matter. it's just glocks. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Ok, I'll speak from actual personal experience here after using my HERA for a few good months. Now, the HERA isn't the FMG/FPG but it was copied designed to deliver the same qualities minus the folding part. Plain and simple A GLOCK WITH A STOCK IS MORE ACCURATE THAN ONE WITHOUT. That is to say you have a more stable platform being shouldered, have less fatigue because of the weight distribution, and an easy option for mounting optics or at least iron sights with a longer sighting radius. I've been using it as primary and I find it no less disadvantageous than my GBB AR-15 and the surprising part is that I haven't even touched my Glock for upgrades yet. Practicality airsoft wise, against any AEG it's a no brainer. But not everyone likes to have the same boring old thing over and over again and this is a really cool looking gun. Some people like to show off and this is one definite way to do so. Practicality real steel wise, it's an economical way to get a 9mm SMG if all that you have is a Glock. The fact that it folds is just a plus (like if you're a motorcycle cop). Not all police departments are rich and can buy MP5's or AR's for their men (a lot even have to buy their own) so instead may opt for a cheaper alternative which is always a good thing. Of course there's always been the MechTech or Hi-Point carbines but those look like, if turds can make a turd, that's what they would look like. You'd have the criminals you're apprehending laughing at you. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Since when do motorcycle cops anywhere get issued with SMGs? Realistically, I imagine the core market for the real weapon would be various VIP protection services. The US secret service famously used to use M11s. The Brits used the MP5k (which, incidentally, they originally ordered by mistake, thinking they were regular MP5s). I have no experience of shooting a Glock 18 but I imagine it's pretty bonkers and, thus, doesn't really find favour with the sort of outfits that carry M11s, MP7 or MP5Ks under their jackets. The FMG9 most definitely WOULD be of interest to those sort of people. It's streets ahead of any alternative when it comes to ergonomics for concealed carry. That's about it though. I mean, motorcycle cops could use the FMG9? Are we living in a Mad Max movie? Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I have no experience of shooting a Glock 18 but I imagine it's pretty bonkers and, thus, doesn't really find favour with the sort of outfits that carry M11s, MP7 or MP5Ks under their jackets. Bonkers, meaning uncontrollable? Actually the Glock 18C has been reported to be an utter *beep* to shoot, easily controllable with one hand on full auto (see this ancient report). I think the real downside of the Glock 18C is the lack of visual menace. Pulling an M11 or an Mp5K in some criminal's face would most likely cause him to brick his pants real quick. A Glock, not so much. That little selector on the side isn't very useful for show of force. The Glock 18C is all about pure killing power in a very small package, nothing else. Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Since when do motorcycle cops anywhere get issued with SMGs? Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Yeah, motorcycle cops in my area don't get SMG's... They get M4's (or 6920's if you want to get particular). Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Yeah, motorcycle cops in my area don't get SMG's... They get M4's (or 6920's if you want to get particular). Wow! I'm sorry to hear that los Angeles IS turning into something out of Mad Max. Still, on the bright side I guess if they can carry an M4 it kinda disproves the need for them to use FMG9s. Looking at those pic's, I can't help noticing how polished the bikes look and the cute little flags etc. Surely that's not how every American bike cop rides around every day? Is that bike cops on VIP escort duty or something? Maybe that's why they're carrying SMGs? I still can't believe you guys live in a country where cops who issue speeding tickets need automatic weapons. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted December 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 LAPD bike cops + MP5A5 is pretty much standard issue from what I recall. I see it pretty much everyday. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 That's Pasadena PD I believe, they get MP5's. I've seen Burbank PD with FN FiveSeven's. Regular police started carrying assault rifles in the wake of the North Hollywood shootout, they need to match the potential firepower of what they could be up against. It makes sense because you don't want the first responder to sit around waiting for SWAT and hoping that nothing bad happens until they get there. It really has nothing to do with the crime rate that is dropping every year. In fact, Pasadena is and has always been a pretty safe area (with and without the MP5's). I've never really thought of LA as being extraordinarily dangerous, that's just in the movies. It's not like we're D.C. UK's armed cops rock MP5's slung from what I remember. That was more intimidating than what I see on a regular basis, we just don't have un-armed cops. Link to post Share on other sites
Ionic Gorilla Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 los Angeles IS turning into something out of Mad Max. Looks more like Mega City 1 to me - Judge Dredd with his Lawmaster and Lawrod was the frst thing that spings to mind when I see those pictures Since when as practicability played a factor in deciding whether or not to buy something? It's new and shiney so I want one Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Some SoCal bike cops' guns: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr38/25014134...57594365356929/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr38/21954618...57594365356929/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr38/32164561...57594365356929/ I would be tempted to disguise my FPG as a laptop or a boombox. More than meets the eye! Link to post Share on other sites
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