Bert Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 AK47s in Iraq Some of these do look like weasel's gun. Link to post Share on other sites
Carbine Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 That picture is a perfect example of how the Guarder kits will weather. As evident in the picture, the gas blocks, gas tubes and barrels of those weapons have probably been blued and have since lost the finish due to mechanical stress, in other words rubbing against clothes, etc. Only steel will have a dull sheen like that, aluminum and especially Marui's zink-aluminum alloy will likely anodize to a dark grey finish Link to post Share on other sites
Evert 72 Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Thats alot of AK's Link to post Share on other sites
sillyp Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Thats alot of AK's <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its also merely a drop of water in a sea of AKs Link to post Share on other sites
ColDaz Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Carbine: that looks great. I've always wanted to do a Russian loadout, but I won't have the money to do so before the VCR Bill. T'is a shame. Link to post Share on other sites
thegunrunner Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Carbine- The realistic weathering is exactly why I bought these steel kits. I want mine to weather as realistically as possible. I don't mind my Guarder guns getting worn and scratched, as long as the weathering is realistic. Link to post Share on other sites
screamin_weasel Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 At least look at pics of real AKs to make it looks realistic.</RANT> first of all - chill out dude. my comment on the 'guarder boys' was simply a tongue in cheek comment. when looking for pics of beaten AK's, i couldnt find a SINGLE one that had been done on a guarder kit. not one. secondly, how many times do i have to say it - i saw REAL AK's in Egypt. up VERY close. they looked WORSE than mine. so sayignmine is unrealistic is a bit silly. but i dont care anymore. some people like it, some dont. some would do it to theirs, some daren't. its their gun. Link to post Share on other sites
skyler8158 Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 New Pics: Link to post Share on other sites
Carbine Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Screamin_weasel, oh no, don't get me wrong, I quite like your AK. Looks almost as good as a non-steel AK can. Nice job! Just needs a bit more dark bits on the wood to get rid of the toyish look of the KA wood parts. The gunrunner, One of the reasons why I got mine as well. I "had to" handle a Finnish RK62 for a year and quite frankly got tired of plastic or aluminum AKs. That's the other reason. I like to be able to toss my gun on the floor if needed without having to fear it breaking. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 when looking for pics of beaten AK's, i couldnt find a SINGLE one that had been done on a guarder kit. not one. but i dont care anymore. some people like it, some dont. some would do it to theirs, some daren't. its their gun. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> your wish is my command the only trouble (as usual) is its damn difficult to photograph it without it either looking not far off normal or far shinier than it really is. in reality its a dark cloudy grey in its most weathered places a sort of patina over the steel Most 74s follow russian finishes (flat black over a black phosphate packer ground coat) but with 47's manufactured almost everywhere there tons of variations on original finish due to local capabilities/cost concerns (from russian black packer thru to blued steel) As the finishes are diferent that in turn will result in different wear patterns, so you can find a whole host of different wear patterns on 47s. stevie Link to post Share on other sites
SilentScope Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Did you rub some OOO steel wool over that? Ive had the most success using that technique. Link to post Share on other sites
screamin_weasel Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 thats cool dude. the steel defo makes a difference. mine is quite extreme,but your looks as odl as ti may well be, whereas mine is blatantly not as old as it looks. im hoping, like rizzo said, the magnesium of my reciever will dull with age and use. Link to post Share on other sites
Gir Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 <RANT>I'm not scratching up my Guarder kits. Why? Because they weather EXACTLY like the real AK would. The receiver is blued, so in time it will polish up and get small scratches, etc. Real worn AKs don't look like they've been attacked with sand paper or a file either, and thus I don't want my Guarder kits looking like it either. If one does choose to weather their AK with sand paper, etc. At least look at pics of real AKs to make it looks realistic.</RANT> However, for metal receivers like G&P, etc. that are painted and not blued or parkerized like the real ones, sanding them is pretty much the only way to achieve a somewhat realistic weathered look if you don't want to drag your rifle to hell and back to scratch it up. An AK should be scratched, etc. I like how Screamin_weasel too the plunge to weather his. The KA and G&P wood kits look stupidly red and cheap if not weathered at all. Don't get me wrong though. I don't want to dish anyone with a non-Guarder wood/metal AK. I'm just saying how I, myself, feel about my AKs Here is an excellent link for anyone looking to weather their AK: http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/proindex.html <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your not scratching up you Guarder AKM kit because it cost you 800$, i scratched up mine, because it cost me 7.50 at Checker Auto... Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Silent - I went with soft spongy wet n dry sanding blocks (the really fine grit ones) and a little bit of oil got a mate who can packerize it and respray it so I just went for it while I had it knocked together on a dry build (was going to add the serial numbers and flatten some of the domed rivets etc - so finish was going to get redone anyway) BUT I ended up quite liking the effect, so I'll probably just leave it as is cheats way of getting a weathered AK but I didnt fancy twenty years of carrying it around to acheive it naturally - first day out doing the shopping with it on my shoulder Id probably have been slotted by SO19 anyways SW- dirty greasy hands and plenty of handling can help - strip a bike engine and then stick your mucky paws all over the alloy get it right into the grain and then clean it all off (that sort of gunky ###### always made the polished alloy parts on my bikes dull down quicker lol) stevie Link to post Share on other sites
screamin_weasel Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 *makes note to pull fizzy chopper to bits then grope AK* Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 *makes note to pull fizzy chopper to bits then grope AK* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> lol price good condition original fizzys can go for these days you could sell the fizzy buy a guarder kit and pay someone to carry it aound for the twenty years Link to post Share on other sites
thegunrunner Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Snorkelman, that's great. The weathering job is very realistic. I'm still a bit reluctant to force weather my guns. Here's the final installment of my guns till I get more. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 mmmm ...now shiny AKs like those I like too But with best will in the world Im just too damned clumsy to keep em that way Weathered ones are my best option - that way i can hide the inevitable accidental scratches amongst all the deliberate ones lol stevie Link to post Share on other sites
Carbine Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Gir, I'm not scratching up my AKM because I don't have one I have a Guarder AKS-74M and a Guarder AKS-74U. I will see how the guns will weather in use. If they don't, then I might do something about it. Snorkelman, NICE! Link to post Share on other sites
dirty mao Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 I'm for wondering, is it possible to put the '74 flashider on the RK104? Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyMoFo Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 (edited) this is my bro's ak beta... its simple, all stock internals, just a silencer put on, but is a really nice looking gun imo... sorry for cruddy pic... my phone camera isnt the best... DM Edit: attaching the pics helps... Edited February 26, 2006 by DirtyMoFo Link to post Share on other sites
enzo100 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I'm for wondering, is it possible to put the '74 flashider on the RK104? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, because the 104 has a thread size upward of 20! Link to post Share on other sites
Praetor Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 how easy would it be to put normal length fore grips on a beta front set? i havent got a beta to pull apart, would it just be a longer outer barrel or is there support in the upper grip too? Link to post Share on other sites
Carbine Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 There's a hexagonal brass tube in the upper handguard, so you will need to move it foward so it attaches to the front sight properly, or your front end will wobble like crazy. You also need to reposition the stock outer barrel further forward and drill a new hole for the locking plate on the outer barrel. A rather simple project. Link to post Share on other sites
Carbine Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Just got this: A Guarder AKS-74U And a shot with a friend's Hero Arms drum mag Link to post Share on other sites
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