The US election thread

[Reborn]

We've been doing well in Iraq since the troop surge. We are in the process of getting the country back to its feet. Also, McCain's "We'll stay in Iraq for 100 years" statement is often misinterpreted. He doesn't want to fight a hundred-year war. He meant that the U.S. should maintain a military presence in the country (like how we do in Japan/South Korea/Germany).

 

Obama, on the other hand, would destroy any hope of a stable Iraq. A chaotic Iraq means that it will become the breeding ground for a new brand of terrorism. We own it to our fallen troops as well as the Iraqi people to finish what we started. We can't just cut and run, as the Democrats would like us to.

[Jagdraben]

Obama no longer speaks of 'cut-and-run'. He now speaks of a 'responsible withdrawl'.

 

Which is funny, because I'm pretty sure that's what McCain has been saying all along....

[sgt.kicker]

"We've been doing well in Iraq since the troop surge."

 

That isn't because of the surge. The relative stability is because of ethnic cleansing.

 

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews...953066020080919

 

http://www.envplan.com/abstract.cgi?id=a41200

 

--------------------------------------------------------------

 

"We own it to our fallen troops as well as the Iraqi people to finish what we started."

 

 

That's strange, because the majority of Iraqis surveyed want us out now.

 

But who cares what they think?

[davedawg123]

I can't stand Obama. The man's a snake oil salesman. As left as you can get. Change my *albatross*. It makes me sick how people swoon over him. Why do you want to vote for Obama? "He will bring change and Palin scares the hell out of me."

[Chimpy]

It's pitiful that someone can go ahead and call Palin a "MILF" and not suffer any consequences and yet be expected to face a wall of flak when calling Obama a Muslim.

 

Palin is a MILF.

Obama isn't a Muslim.

 

Geez, haven't people worked this out already?

 

Calling the Democrats 'socialist' is laughable as well. Get out on campus and go meet some real socialists, they won't be voting Dem.

 

Also Guzzi neither McCain or Palin are PNAC signatories.

[Chimpy]

Missed the edit time out but here is the second part of the Stratfor analysis of the candidates Foreign Policy prior to the forthcoming debate:

 

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20080923_...nce_open_access

[Skarclaw]

And let's not even talk about Obama, his wife, and his positively insane pastor. You think the world being made in six days is mentally ill, try this: White people invented HIV to kill black people. And no, I don't believe that he sat in that church for 20 years listening to his "uncle" and not pick up any of that. Yeah, I attended that church for twenty years but I never inhaled.

 

 

 

Do Muslims have pastors?

[Desolation mkII]

And let's not even talk about Obama, his wife, and his positively insane Mullah.

 

Fixed

[DarkLite]

Wait, Palin's a MILF? Pfffft. You people set your standards far too low.

[Pablo]

Or you're too picky.

[Habakure]

Too picky........

 

Will it really effect good old (Sarcasum there) UK, it won't, thier still going to be asking us for troops in wars and things like that, also letting us buy thier Jets. It won't really effect us.

 

Edit:- Sorry for the typing errors, am really tired.

[Carrion]

or in reality the us "election" is nothing of the sort in that you are simply deciding between 2 very similar groups much like new labour and the nazi party.

 

and lets face it the sooner some stupid yankee starts tossing nukes around the better it is for all

 

 

 

 

[Chimpy]

In comparison to a one party system there is a world of difference between the two.

 

I've never understood the argument that the two biggest parties are too similar. They just represent the centre of mass of the electorate and in terms of the Republicans and Democrats differ on some fundamental levels. There are plenty of extreme parties of all persuasions whom you can get involved with but at the end of the day if they don't convince the electorate to vote for them they will never attain (much) power. Mostly I see it as a lazy excuse for apathy whilst attempting to remain 'smugly above it all'.

[davedawg123]

or in reality the us "election" is nothing of the sort in that you are simply deciding between 2 very similar groups much like new labour and the nazi party.

 

and lets face it the sooner some stupid yankee starts tossing nukes around the better it is for all

 

I would say they are quite dissimilar, with views I agree and disagree with in each party. All the parties seem to do is bicker and complain about the other though. It's just a spin contest, both parties get caught with their pants down or have successes, and each attack/blame and defend/get blamed in the same way. Credit is never given to the other as that would weaken their own position. It's sad.

[Skarclaw]

The difference is guns, abortion, and thats about it, and I'm not to sure on Mccain's attitude to guns. Alot depends on Geography anyway.

[davedawg123]

Between Obama and McCain? Add to that foreign policy, taxes, economics, social security, and healthcare. They share similar views on drilling, immigration, torture, and gay rights, although they'll tell you their method of implementation is better than the other (or they'll flip back and forth). And McCain is anti-ban/pro-gun, he just doesn't own one. Like all politicians, they both will say things to make you think they understand/sympathize with your different positions on the issues to get your vote, but they're voting record (or lack thereof) speaks for itself.

 

I truly believe Obama has been groomed for 08 ever since the 04 convention when he wowed the Dems, not to say there's anything wrong with that (some may find

inspiring, and I'm sure I would wet my pants if I were a liberal... but I find it funny, although I admit he does have the gift of gab, the man belongs in Hollywood). If McCain doesn't win this year, I could see the GOP doing the same for Palin, the difference being she actually has governing experience (more so than the pilot and two lawyers on the tickets anyway), small town/state or not, and has led reforms (of even her own party) to actually make change rather than simply hoping for it (pissing off a lot of people in the process). No idea if she'll do a good job campaigning though, and you know all the pro-choice women will be all over her *albatross*.

 

On a side note, I can't stand the abundance of liberal bias in the media. Anyone catch McCain vs Obama on The View? When Obama's on: "You look so sexy!" For McCain: "You gonna bring back slavery?" Or how about the covers for US Weekly? How can any logical person, liberal, conservative, or moderate, look at those covers, read the articles, or watch those shows and not see bias? Thankfully, I base my vote on more than just what the media feeds me... but it's a shame there are so many that don't.

[Skarclaw]

I meant dems vs gop.

[Victory]

Obama...just another black guy sittin' at a street corner asking for change.

 

Anyway, 90% of this thread...tl;dr.

 

To the point, I've made up my mind. I know who's getting my vote, and that's really all that's important.

 

-Vic

[The Crunchy Bunny]

On a side note, I can't stand the abundance of liberal bias in the media. Anyone catch McCain vs Obama on The View? When Obama's on: "You look so sexy!" For McCain: "You gonna bring back slavery?" Or how about the covers for US Weekly? How can any logical person, liberal, conservative, or moderate, look at those covers, read the articles, or watch those shows and not see bias? Thankfully, I base my vote on more than just what the media feeds me... but it's a shame there are so many that don't.

 

The amount of Biaz in this election towards that clown Obama is almost sickening. He is the media's little angel. They make him out to be the all knowing Messiyah. I've notcied it in my high school alot. Most kids claim that if they were of voting age they'd vote for Obama, then when you ask them why, they either say " He'll bring change" or " Because he's black" or " Because McCain's old and gross". They no nothing of politics or fact, they just endorse who the media flashes the most because to most High School and younger age folks, the media is all knowing and they blindly follow it. That's whats scary about this election is that people that either don't care, or don't pay attention to politics will blindly vote for Obama because he is the most "popular" canidate. They don't bother to worry about what issues he stands for, or they just think that it won't effect them so they vote for the "cool" one. I've heard people that don't even know who's running on the Republican ticket.

[TheKurodaVagrant]

I hate the choice this year. They all suck so hard. The only difference is gun ownership. With Biden on the Democrat ticket I'm worried about what bs he might bring in. Then again, I hate Obama anyway because he's promising way too much for a noob. And when Biden was chosen as the running mate I threw out my last shred of hope for them. Who let him run under the Democrats in the first place?

 

I'm going to vote for McCain/Palin come November. They both suck, but at least they don't hate guns.

[Victory]

 

-Vic

[PILMAN]

I would have rather voted for Ron Paul, but since it's lesser of the two evils, I am going to have to vote for Mccain/Palin, I don't like Obama or Mccain, but to say Mccain will destroy the economy or Palin doesn't have experience, well Obama doesn't have much experience either, so I'm voting Mccain to keep Obama out to prevent more damage being done.

 

I simply don't see how higher taxes put into social programs is going to save the country. It's a lose-lose. Lesser of the two evils.

[davedawg123]

Every time Obama talks, it makes me cringe. Today he was on about how the parties need to unite to handle the financial crisis. First he states that a bipartisan effort needs to be made to swiftly put forth a solution which I'm sure anybody would agree with. Then he pats himself on the back that he suggested to McCain to put forth a joint statement regarding the crisis to which McCain had seen the light. Then when McCain opted to forgo the debates to go back to work to handle the crisis and suggested Obama do the same, the anointed one gives a thumbs down essentially calling Mac a *beep*. Shortly afterwards when answering questions, he's on about how if he can be helpful, he'll be anywhere at anytime... just not during a scheduled debate. Right... Is this the same guy that's been turning down requests by McCain's camp for a series of town hall meetings? He talks a big game, but he's nothing but flash in the pan. A lot of people do buy into his bs though. And I have no doubt he'll kick the pants off McCain during the debates. Obama's substance may be questionable, but the delivery will be top notch! I'll have my popcorn ready this Friday for the one man show.

[Chimpy]

Actually I think that McCain is attempting to delay the VP debates more than anything as currently Biden will destroy Palin (who seems to give a good speech but struggles when she has to think on her feet*).

 

Also exactly how is McCain going to handle the crisis given he has no actual power to wield and is in the middle of an election race? It's pure political spin BS to attempt to look like he is doing something given the popular perception that the current economic issues are all the fault of the Republicans. It may even backfire and make him look like he is running away from the debate.

 

*-

 

*facepalm*

[Chimpy]

PtIV of the Stratfor build up this time focusing on McCain's foreign policy:

 

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20080924_...nce_open_access