ThaFlash Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 When you talk about "modified V3" you completely alter what can or can't happen. Moving gears, removing mechanical fire control, short motor, custom spring guide, altering angles, etc... That's just what I've done, but it's really pointless and splitting hairs between what can be done and what makes sense to do. Why go through all of that just to make a V3 do what a V2 already does? And to what gain? The ability to run higher FPS when the V2 is clearly good enough for the vast majority of airsofters? You might as well license the PTW design because the cost would probably be lower. Oooh. PTW ACR... that's like a combination of beef and pork ribs... mmm.... ribs.... Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 The benefits of the V3 are Motor Cage External Wiring Strength of the cylinder head area(albeit this isnt a problem for me) If they managed to slip a g36 type cage onto a v2 i would be happy despite the aggravation of internal wiring Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 You dont seem to be getting the point here, People lapped up the PTS ACR on paper thanks to its spec, it was supposed to reinvent what has been done before it., now knowing that they have ditched the V3 in favour of a V2, what other downscales might have been put in place? I understand the pics are of a prototype, but there's only a regular wiring set on there and no sign of any electronic fire control. It was stated that it will be the latest evolution of the weapon and it simply isn't. I do hope when pics from the shot show start to surface, they prove the gun has significantly developed since this set of pics from spartan imports, Because if its not, then its not offering much more than the much cheaper A&K Masada. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Yeah, they said V3, they show V2. Get passed it. Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy aren't real either; you're still alive. You'll live beyond this as well. If you want to say the same thing over and over again you might as well just put it in your signature. Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 your obviously in the thread for no other reason than to spread your Magpul fanboi'ism., If your happy to pay the same money for less than claimed, then do be sure to carry lube, since you are so easily shafted. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 If I'm not a hater I'm a "fanboi"... noted. Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Some people here are taking this way too personally. Its a toy guys. Im as disappointed as the next guy but if the gun turns out to be a decent AEG with a quick change barrel system ill probably bite provided the price isnt too bad. If its ridiculously expensive and does nothing that my existing AEG's dont already do then ill be the first one to say no thanks. Is the replica as good as i had hoped? No, not based off of the prototype pictures but we will have to wait and see what SHOT show holds. I dont think there is going to be much difference but only time will tell. V.2 Gearboxes are good enough for what most people do with them. Would a super duper V3 reinforced front end have been nice? Sure, it certainly would have been but again, for what MOST users need a modified V2/V3 will suit us just fine. Again, i really think we need to wait and see whats showcased at SHOT. Those are pretty rough prototype photos and i would imagine those were taken back in October/November of 2009 which is a LONG time ago in the grand scheme of things. Look at how much the Masada/ACR has changed over just the past six months. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Foxhound Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Also, the option of the actual railed handguard is another reason people want it. The A&K Masada dosent have one. (Big reason id rather go with the PTS) I'll stay out of the discussion after this, but imo, you guys expected way to much. VFC guns are the same price and don't revolutionize anything, just look amazing. Which this ACR does. But I guess I'm not a internals guy. So I dont understand the big deal. Get a G36 if you want a G36 gearbox. Id personally rather my gun to be to scale then use a huge gearbox. Ever heard of the TSI TAVOR debacle? I am glad USCM has enough sense to ignore you guys blaming him. I'll just wait for shot show pics before I post in this thread again. Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Isnt the shot show taking place now or tomorrow? So it shouldn't be long before we know, either way i cant wait as i trust USMC's statement on how good this is will blow every sceptical person out of the water. But on a side note could we be waiting a while/not see many pics as you have to have a press ticket to be able to take pics if im correct? Link to post Share on other sites
BigBabyMoses06 Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 going on right now! I'm going nuts lol. I want some pictures! Some one there should be tweeting or facebooking the whole thing with an iphone or something similar. Link to post Share on other sites
Surfaced Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 going on right now! I'm going nuts lol. I want some pictures! Some one there should be tweeting or facebooking the whole thing with an iphone or something similar. Yeah I can't believe how there's no committed coverage on this. I know MilSpecMonkey will be all over Magpul's and Remington's booths but this is Spartan Imports... honestly I can't wait two more days to see fresh high res shots of that thing. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 I am glad USCM has enough sense to ignore you guys blaming him. Not really ignoring it. I just don't have anything to add until I see the piece tomorrow. I fully intend on asking for clarification on the specifics. The prototype is still by far the nicest AEG I've ever held. I love my VFC SR15's which IMO are some of the nicest ARs out there and comparable in price, but they're still not as nice as the prototype ACR. I've spent a lot more for a LOT less. Link to post Share on other sites
Major Dutch Schaeffer Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Please USCM, do you think there will be news of GBB kit for PTS ACR at the Shotshow 2010? Link to post Share on other sites
Fly'n Brian Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Ok, here is what I was told by PTS at the show this morning. They claim it is a modified ver.3 mechbox, that was made longer/thinner to fit the receiver correctly. It does use a motor cage. Looking at it, it looks just like a ver. 2 mechbox, and until it is proven otherwise, that's what I think it is. (with the longer part being the area for the quick change spring) It had a plastic hop up unit (unlike the metal one in the prototype photos). The release date will be around march. Still around $450 for the base model. The AK lower version is very cool. Too much stuff to see in the 1st day, I'm going to sleep now. Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 If you are allowed to take photos, would you make a few ones for us in Europe? Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 The release date will be around march. Heh, well that frees up my wallet for another couple of months then. It was getting a tad agonising holding on to this month's pay waiting for news on the release time frame. Link to post Share on other sites
RC-1138 Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 It does use a motor cage. SOLD! Time to delete Ebay from my favorites so I can save up enough for the ACR. Link to post Share on other sites
jgarnreiter Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Although I'm still not sold, I'm in a way glad they're pushing the release a bit. Give me a bit more time to decide if I want it, and more time for specs. Link to post Share on other sites
jgarnreiter Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 This is a bit OT, but can someone tell me why they painted the prototype silver? I'm not bashing or anything like that at all, just me being curious. Link to post Share on other sites
Starblade54 Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 USCM are you alowed to give us a release date yet? or have they told you one at least? Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 This is a bit OT, but can someone tell me why they painted the prototype silver? I'm not bashing or anything like that at all, just me being curious. Erm? Im guessing because its a "prototype" it hasnt been painted and thats why its steel stainless! Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Aluminum, not steel. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 They claim it is a modified ver.3 mechbox, that was made longer/thinner to fit the receiver correctly. It does use a motor cage. Looking at it, it looks just like a ver. 2 mechbox, and until it is proven otherwise, that's what I think it is. (with the longer part being the area for the quick change spring) It's possible (and likely) that the GB is a V2 based on what you said. At least the motor's caged. One of my buddies going with me has experience as a gun tech so I'll have him ask the more probing questions about the specifics to deduce if it is in fact a V2 or V3. If you are allowed to take photos, would you make a few ones for us in Europe? I have a press pass so I will do. This is a bit OT, but can someone tell me why they painted the prototype silver? I'm not bashing or anything like that at all, just me being curious. It's not silver. It's bare metal (machined aluminum/aluminium). USCM are you alowed to give us a release date yet? or have they told you one at least? I don't know yet but according to Fly'n Brian, you should expect sometime in March. Link to post Share on other sites
jgarnreiter Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 It's not silver. It's bare metal (machined aluminum/aluminium). I'm an idiot. Completely forgot it's a metal upper. My b. Sorry fellas Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 It's not silver. It's bare metal (machined aluminum/aluminium). Is there any evidence to support this yet? That looks like it has had a light undercoat or is just fresh casting, certainly doesn't look like at all like bare machined aluminium, infact I'm still suspecting its cast and machine finished in places at the very most if they're still looking at a $450 price for the whole gun, no signs of machining marks on there though so I'd guess the original claim of being machined from billet is out of the window as I expected. Link to post Share on other sites
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