ardrummer292 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Ah yes, the exploding 40mm grenades of lore are now available to more than just Russian players... http://pyrosoft.ru/ Looks like TAG also makes realistic hand grenades, which are also pyro-based. It seems these fellas are able to ship to most any country, which is rather promising (assuming it's legal). Link to post Share on other sites
Griff762 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 You can get the shells at a UK based retailer too last I checked. The one that's a fan of support by fire. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 This isn't Zero In. We can mention shops here lol Link to post Share on other sites
Tw1tch Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 What? Fire Support do TAG shells? I think I'm going to give someone a call just to double check the rules and make sure I can use them, considering there was a lot of talk of being illegal in the UK. I hope they are fair game though, just want some awesome deployable smoke really, though other shella would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites
Kenworth W900 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 In an odd way I actually like the cryptic nature of posts on Zero In when people mention other shops. It's like a little riddle to solve and it feels good to be subversive over there as it gets right under the noses of Zero One Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 EHobby has the powder (non-pyro) projectiles, but damn, each launching shell is $80! Link to post Share on other sites
Viking Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 I have few on the way ( to USA). Will post a quick review once they are. The order includes; Launcher Shell Reaper Shells - Pyro Paladin Shells - Marking/Powder Pyro hand grenades Feel free to post any questions and I will answer. Thanks Viking fb.me/SOSMilsim Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Wait, pyro hand grenades? How do those work? Link to post Share on other sites
Viking Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 3.5 second fuse. They are like CTS training flashbangs but filled with bbs. http://pyrosoft.ru/products/r2b-detail Link to post Share on other sites
Griff762 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 It sure is fun thinking of blatant riddles! Link to post Share on other sites
PMO Gordo Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 EHobby has the powder (non-pyro) projectiles, but damn, each launching shell is $80! The projectile cost about $7 each, which is decent in my book. But the shell is quite expensive, making it cost-prohibitive to run the TAG system. I think it is more economical to utilize the common grenade shell to propel the projectiles, as shown in my P.M.O.G thread: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/210207-pmog-airsoft-40mm-projectile/. However, the TAG projectile's diameter is less than 40mm, making it unusable without their propriety shell. The P.M.O.G projectiles also have serious drawbacks: 1) Effective only when used with launcher with rifled barrel, 2) Unable to carry the projectile and the shell as one unit, limiting the amount of ammo that a player can carry. This was part of the reasons I put the project on hold. I happened to learn about the foster slug that the hunters use to take down larger animals. It stroke me as a possible solution to the problems I mentioned above. The foster slug were designed to be fired from smooth barrel shotguns with decent accuracy. The trick is the deep hollow in the rear of the foster slug, which makes the center of mass concentrated at the front and stabilizes the slug in flight. The deep hollow in the rear, in the case of an Airsoft 40mm projectile, can also allows it to sit on top of a grenade shell securely and enhances air seal. So, this will be my next project - to develop a 40mm foster slug using 3D printing. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 With regards to saving space, how about utilizing shells that shoot a single rubber slug? The actual slug is a hollow cup like those foster slugs and goes over the gas containing part of the grenade. That way you keep the propellant and projectile as one unit and you can adjust the projectile size (powder volume) with different length slugs. The rifling would be more of an issue in finding the right rate for the velocity your P.M.O.G. will be flying at. Slower rounds will require a higher rate as evidenced by the steep rifling on the TAG launcher. Link to post Share on other sites
PMO Gordo Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 With regards to saving space, how about utilizing shells that shoot a single rubber slug? The actual slug is a hollow cup like those foster slugs and goes over the gas containing part of the grenade. That way you keep the propellant and projectile as one unit and you can adjust the projectile size (powder volume) with different length slugs. The rifling would be more of an issue in finding the right rate for the velocity your P.M.O.G. will be flying at. Slower rounds will require a higher rate as evidenced by the steep rifling on the TAG launcher. Yes, I know exactly you are talking about - G&P Projectile Cap 40mm Airsoft Grenade Shell (http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_514&products_id=39960). The problem is that the projectile only work with their grenade shell, just like the TAG system. The problem is due to the thickness of the projectile wall. In fact, the "foster slug" concept was already somewhat proven in these videos below. The guy in the video put two G&P projectile caps together, and added water between the two caps. He got about 100m (same range as the TAG system) using only green gas. I could probably put my P.M.O.G foam tip (filled with chalk powder) on top of a G&P projectile cap and get the same range. However, the problem still lies with the grenade shell compatibility - I want the next P.M.O.G prototype works with any grenade shell, not just G&P grenade shell. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 It sure is fun thinking of blatant riddles! I used to say stuff like "There's only one airsoft shop and it's the best one in the universe, all hail Zeroone airsoft", then I got a PM from a mod for mocking the forum rules. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Is the Russian postal system not notoriously shocking? Or is that only for items coming in to the country? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Going out too. Just really, really slow. But you should get it in the end. Link to post Share on other sites
Mikhailthejackal Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Are these illegal in the uk? id love to get some and actually have a useful nade launcher rather than just a shotgun, even if its just the smoke ones. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 It's always been stated around these parts that any sort of launched pyro is not legal in the UK, certainly not for joe bloggs airsofting. Obviously if you work for an explosives/FX company or something similar with the proper licences then that's a different story. I've never actually looked up the appropriate laws myself, it may be somewhere in the firearms acts but I don't know off the top of my head, hopefully someone can come along with a relevant link. Link to post Share on other sites
DrAlexanderTobacco Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 I'd guess that the "marking" shells should be hunky dory - Considering they're not pyrotechnics per-se. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 I don't think launching pyros is as illegal as people think it is - I've been to Stirling events and been mortared, and I hear a few other sites use them too (a steel tube with TLSFx dual charge pyros). I think these TAG ones are mostly okay, IIRC they don't explode on impact which is a big no-no over here. They might get into trouble for being spin-stabilised though, I can't remember if that's allowed (fin-stabilised definitely isn't). Clearly, most sites aren't keen on launching pyros, as firing explosives at people is as potentially dangerous as it sounds, but legally I think you're fine stuffing thunderflashes into your 203 and blasting them across a field. I'd love to use a TAG lanucher, though even if technically legal it would require a reasonably open-minded site owner... Link to post Share on other sites
Lancaster Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Finally I'm not the one Link to post Share on other sites
Tw1tch Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Unfortunately I don't know if the "General Enquiries" form for emailing Cambs Constabulary is the appropriate method of contacting them about the legalities of this. Then again, RIFs seem hard enough to deal with sometimes, with police being uninformed of the hobby. Could always pop into the station for a chat I guess. xD Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Wouldn't bother asking the Police mate at best they won't have a clue at worst they could turn up somewhere and start nicking people under the firearms act and let the CPO sort it out. At the end of the day these are projectiles launched from a rifled barrel, reckon that makes em a firearm, regardless of whether its a marker or bang. As for launching regular flashbangs out of a 203 much as i'd love to I reckon this king of thing is gonna lead to un wanted attention from the powers that be. Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 the barrel doesn't need to be rifled as the shell that holds the grenade is rifled and the grenade gets the spin from that Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Where are they listed on fire support ? They are $70 for 10, shipping = $30 10 = $100, just under £8 a shot thats a bit expensive ! Link to post Share on other sites
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