bankz5152 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Looks like FB is effectively banning Airsoft sales for the time being, which personally I think is a good thing but thats not the point. With FB banning sales will we see a return to the old days? I.e lots of traffic again? Kind of like Arnies as it is, kind of like a quiet pub when only the regulars and a few others are left near closing lol that said more traffic is good for Arnies! Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
wolfgeorge Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Actually I was thinking the same!Back to basics.. back to the forums!LoL..Forums are so much nicer since the knowledge is stored!Wolf Link to post Share on other sites
Tinkerton Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 This is a local forum. For local people. Link to post Share on other sites
eatmycamo Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I look forwards to this. I haven't really been on Arnies in years. Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 This is a local forum. For local people. Really? Define local. Thought this is the age of the global village? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I thought as long as the word 'gun' isn't in the page/group name. it's business as usual? Really? Define local. Thought this is the age of the global village? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0184135/ Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Its prettt grey area, some yes, some no. I did see airsoft and bb guns where in the banned list sales. on my phone, my spelling will suck Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 From Facebook; The Facebook Community Standards don’t allow attempts by unauthorized dealers to buy, sell or trade firearms. This includes:?Rifles?Shotguns?Machine guns?Handguns?Pistols?Revolvers?Firearm receivers?Antique guns?Black powder firearms?Muzzle-loading firearms?BB guns?Airsoft guns?Air guns?Air rifles?Paintball markers?Firearm replicas?Non-functioning firearms?Curios and relics?Destructive devices such as bombs, grenades, rockets, missiles or minesWe understand that some of these items may not be legally regulated everywhere people use Facebook. In order to enforce our policies as fairly and consistently as possible, we use one broad set of standards for the entire Facebook community Which in my head means any private sales are banned for those items. Companies such as SAI or Agency Arms that operate almost exclusively on FB from what I can tell would be (IMO) "authorized dealers". Doesn't appear they are banning anything gun related, like pages, groups or posts, but they will definitely be keeping an eye on those to scan for unauthorized sales. Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Is a someone making a private sale a "dealer" though? It's a moot point, I suppose, as FB has already started to close firearm (and airsoft) related groups. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 For me, being straight-laced and all moral and *suitcase*, facebook allowed too many sales to folk who wanted RIFs, and seemed easy without a defence. I'm happy for forums to take up that slack, as there - to me at least - seemed better checks. Except for zeroin. That place is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. For sales. And most other airsoft-related things. And non-airsoft related things. And things in general. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 While airsoft sales are restricted, mere posting and chatting about it still goes on. And then there's still people on reddit. If anything, I see an increase in traffic of people wanting to hawk their guns quick, often in the wrong places. Just jump in, spam in two or three sections and leave. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/01/29/facebook-cracks-down-on-gun-sales/79543652/ Is a someone making a private sale a "dealer" though? It's a moot point, I suppose, as FB has already started to close firearm (and airsoft) related groups. Semantically speaking yes. But I don't think the words "authorized dealer" are supposed to be split up and just used as "dealer" Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 8-{> Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Looks like FB is effectively banning Airsoft sales for the time being, which personally I think is a good thing but thats not the point. With FB banning sales will we see a return to the old days? I.e lots of traffic again? Kind of like Arnies as it is, kind of like a quiet pub when only the regulars and a few others are left near closing lol that said more traffic is good for Arnies! Thoughts? I would kind of agree but newcomers fleeing FB and wanting to join Arnies to access the sales forums will surely rapidly go elsewhere when they see they need 100 posts to qualify for entry in to the inner sanctum? Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I think nitpicking over the exact wording of the Facebook ToS is a waste of time, for two key reasons: Facebook have made the desired effect - prohibiting the trading of firearms and firearms replicas on their platform - very plain by banning everything that looks like it might be even slightly related. Saying that you're not technically speaking 'a dealer' or whatever is beside the point; Facebook doesn't want to facilitate these kind of transactions in any way, shape or form, and doesn't care exactly how that aim is achieved. Facebook is a private entity that is well within its rights to police its social network however it sees fit. This isn't the BATFE or the Supreme Court infringing on Second Amendment rights, this is Facebook telling you what you can and can't do in their house, and if you don't like the house rules, you're more than welcome to go back to your house and open your own social network, with blackjack, and hookers. You have no right to appeal their decision, and their decision is evidently that the wishes of the minority of people who wish to trade in weapons and weapon replicas do not override the wishes of Facebook not to expose themselves to the liability incurred by permitting such activities. As to the overall outcome, I'm broadly in favour, TBH. Forums - even ZeroIn - are substantially better policed than Facebook groups, especially when it comes to VCRA compliance, and the effort required to get into a position where people will trust you on a forum is substantially higher than on Facebook. If anything, this crackdown should reduce the amount of people accessing weapons who shouldn't be. I also found the Facebook groups to be much more prone to pointless Internet drama than forums (and that's saying something) so I won't miss them at all. I reckon the major beneficiary of all this is likely to be ZeroIn, but still - not bad news overall. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 would anybody be interested in subscribing to my new personal facebook page "skarclaw pro airsofter" lemme know in answer to the question yes I hope so. Web 2.0 and all that I don't really like! Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I think nitpicking over the exact wording of the Facebook ToS is a waste of time, for two key reasons: Facebook have made the desired effect - prohibiting the trading of firearms and firearms replicas on their platform - very plain by banning everything that looks like it might be even slightly related. Saying that you're not technically speaking 'a dealer' or whatever is beside the point; Facebook doesn't want to facilitate these kind of transactions in any way, shape or form, and doesn't care exactly how that aim is achieved. Facebook is a private entity that is well within its rights to police its social network however it sees fit. This isn't the BATFE or the Supreme Court infringing on Second Amendment rights, this is Facebook telling you what you can and can't do in their house, and if you don't like the house rules, you're more than welcome to go back to your house and open your own social network, with blackjack, and hookers. You have no right to appeal their decision, and their decision is evidently that the wishes of the minority of people who wish to trade in weapons and weapon replicas do not override the wishes of Facebook not to expose themselves to the liability incurred by permitting such activities. As to the overall outcome, I'm broadly in favour, TBH. Forums - even ZeroIn - are substantially better policed than Facebook groups, especially when it comes to VCRA compliance, and the effort required to get into a position where people will trust you on a forum is substantially higher than on Facebook. If anything, this crackdown should reduce the amount of people accessing weapons who shouldn't be. I also found the Facebook groups to be much more prone to pointless Internet drama than forums (and that's saying something) so I won't miss them at all. I reckon the major beneficiary of all this is likely to be ZeroIn, but still - not bad news overall. I love this post! Hahaha all too true. While sales will go there for the most part, hopefully people should realise its full of twats and we shall get the ones that realise this lol. Suppose id just be extra careful with sales now. on my phone, my spelling will suck Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner168 Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 This is a local forum. For local people. Selling local goods? Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 This is a local forum. For local people. Sure. Please tell me more. Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 To I also found the Facebook groups to be much more prone to pointless Internet drama than forums (and that's saying something) so I won't miss them at all. Same here. I tend to only go on them to get a cheap laugh at idiots getting their panties in a bunch over such petty things Link to post Share on other sites
HudsonUK Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 This is a local forum. For local people. How about Swansea? Link to post Share on other sites
sir naggedalot Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 This place will never be what it was I fear.:0( Only takes a few numskull prolific posters to cock the whole thing up! Link to post Share on other sites
Algy Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 This is a local forum. For local people. Agreed, we can't have outsiders coming in and taking all the precious things. Link to post Share on other sites
vorpalbunnie Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Too bad people jumped at the opportunity to make their own communities (like mewe, wardepot, and more new forums) resulting in an even worse splintering effect. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Except for zeroin. That place is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. You sure your not mistaking it with Mos Eisle? Just remember "Han shot first”. Back on topic i’m glad that we may know see a move back to forums, there designed specifically for what we have all been trying to turn FB into anyway. Hell I reckon Airsoft in the UK and possibly a lot of the world would not exist as it does today without this very site. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 You sure your not mistaking it with Mos Eisle? Just remember "Han shot first”. Back on topic i’m glad that we may know see a move back to forums, there designed specifically for what we have all been trying to turn FB into anyway. Hell I reckon Airsoft in the UK and possibly a lot of the world would not exist as it does today without this very site. I totally poached the quote. Also, fully agree arnies is the dominating force in the airsoft galaxy! Link to post Share on other sites
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