Praying Mantis Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Again, a catalogue came with ARMY R27 MEU credit:Siambbgun Link to post Share on other sites
AdmittingSword Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Interesting.... would anyone else agree ARMY=TM for cheap b*******? Well, despite definitive quality differences. That is really actually interesting. I thought it would only be a matter of time before someone copied (I assume) the TM SOPMOD gearbox/blowback (Again, I assume) design and well, I guess its in the works. I myself, hope for the best Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 errrrr... the TM sopmod cant even handle an M120 for too long. wonder how the army will do? i definitely want to get one though.... Link to post Share on other sites
T0p Sp!N Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Army is surely on the ball... Link to post Share on other sites
Erik Cartman Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Interesting.... would anyone else agree ARMY=TM for cheap b*******? Well, despite definitive quality differences. That is really actually interesting. I thought it would only be a matter of time before someone copied (I assume) the TM SOPMOD gearbox/blowback (Again, I assume) design and well, I guess its in the works. I myself, hope for the best If the Army L85A1 is any precedence to go by, it can't be all that bad. Erik. Link to post Share on other sites
RacingManiac Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 what happened with that whole TM patented the recoil engine thing.....well I guess Chinese clone never really cared.. Link to post Share on other sites
thartwig Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Since when have people been able to secure patents outside of china, that would actually stop the chinese from cloning? Link to post Share on other sites
RC-1138 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 What will be interesting is what mag system will it use. The only thing that held me back from getting the new TM M4 was that it would effectively mean all my other magazines were useless. I wonder if Army will use the standard type or clone the TM new design. Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 they will clone the new design. As that allows the use of the bolt catch. Link to post Share on other sites
RC-1138 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Well IMO that makes this kind of a waste. Without some way to use the 20-30 M-type mags I have already (an adapter system like that for G36's for instance) I could never justify this thing. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Given the TM is unreliable as hell, eeeeeh. Eeeeeeeeh. Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Given the TM is unreliable as hell, eeeeeh. Eeeeeeeeh. Funny, that's not what the thread on here indicates. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 yeah, the only problem i ever heard of was the stock tube stripping its threads under the blowback weight of an M120. Link to post Share on other sites
tosuzu Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I didn't expect it so soon :| Link to post Share on other sites
thornado Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Hear! Hear! Though I love the battery installation feature. I hope this becomes a standard among other AEG makers for rear-wired gearboxes and cranestocks. I presume if Army goes through with this, they'll have the same battery feature. Though the TM AKS74U with recoil engine is far more reliable than the TM M4 SOPMOD and I love it. Given the TM is unreliable as hell, eeeeeh. Eeeeeeeeh. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Funny, that's not what the thread on here indicates. I've seen three in person, and all three failed. All three were stock. yeah, the only problem i ever heard of was the stock tube stripping its threads under the blowback weight of an M120. Or the semi auto not working. Or the gear train jamming itself solid. Or both semi and full auto not working. Seems to be the most common issue I've seen and heard about. Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Yep, one guy brought his to the site a couple of months ago - first time he was using it and it jammed solid. That might be one of the times DL is referring to. Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Were they modified in any way? Link to post Share on other sites
xerxes Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Were they modified in any way? I've seen three in person, and all three failed. All three were stock... Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Hmm... very interesting! I thought an ACM company would be so quick to replicate Marui's multinational patented design. But, as China has shown so many times in the past, they just don't give a *fruitcacge*. And that's what I love about them While I've only been into airsoft for 5 years now, so I haven't been around that long, I have noticed a recent and rather bothersome trend in Marui's AEG designs. Marui used to to be widely thought of as the absolute king of reliability. Sure, they had plastic bodies and were more expensive than the Taiwanese guns, but people still bought them anyway and paid $100-$200 for a metal body kit to put on them because having Marui internals meant your reliability was top notch. And if anything ever did break replacement parts could be had easily. But in more recent years, since the release of the AEPs and AEP SMGs (like the MP7) it seems Marui's reliability has gone farther and farther downhill and replacement parts availability has gone the same path. Marui's newer gearbox designs like the AEP gearboxes and the blowback & recoil system gearboxes just don't seem to have the reliability Marui was once so well known for. And if a highly respected Japanese company with excellent quality control can't make this M4 SOPMOD gearbox design reliable... why should I think that an ACM company like Army can do any better? I'll pass on this one for now I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 TM have a patent for the recoil engine in Japan, iirc didn't they apply for a patent outside of japan too? (US & Europe) Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Jin15: Dont know a lot about Army, or SOPMOD problems, but if they can release a clone at a fair price of the SOPMOD, I will be the first on reading the user reviews Anyway, I prefer to read opinions of actual owners before saying this or that, and I hope they surprise us with a good product Link to post Share on other sites
Fin Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 China not caring about copyrights or Marui still ignoring the world outside Japan, you decide Would like to stick the recoil system in my G&P but would have to wait to see how it performs Link to post Share on other sites
elanaiba Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I don't know about Army quality but our Sopmods are going nice reliability wise. Frankly, they're not perfect but there's no other M4 AEG that I would buy these days... Link to post Share on other sites
muckymick Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 why is every body asumming that this is a blatent rip off of the marui maybe army has some connection with marui and done a deal to produce this under licence ,i know pig's might fly but it would be nice to see this blowback system become more available with out it having to be ripped off Link to post Share on other sites
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