Five-sEvEn Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 My definition would be hitting a player mid game with a force that will register. Although the actual range is much further I can't promise that the hit player would register it as a hit. ( I had the wife shoot me at this range in all my gear) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, nice. This makes the MP7 sound much more appealing. Is it just me or is that g18c chronoing a bit low? Makes me wonder if the chrono could be off...... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I thought that the G18C chronoed at around 210fps. Not owning one, I can't say anything, but at least we have a base we can use. Such as, the MP7 is aproximately 60FPS faster than the G18C. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted February 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Great review and pics! Quick question....could you comment on the durability/solidity of the retractable stock? Does it wiggle around when fully extended (TM MP5 like?) Thanks! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope the stock is very solid, but only time will tell, and obviously with prolonged use this model might also see wobble, for now though it's fine. Is it just me or is that g18c chronoing a bit low? Makes me wonder if the chrono could be off...... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The test was done on a ballstics range using the chrono they use there. Now the test you could be refering to for the 18c might be using 0.12g BB remember the test Tokyo-Marui submitted to thier website for the MP7 was clearly done with 0.12g BBs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wells Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 The test was done on a ballstics range using the chrono they use there. Now the test you could be refering to for the 18c might be using 0.12g BB remember the test Tokyo-Marui submitted to thier website for the MP7 was clearly done with 0.12g BBs <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There's been at least one review of the Glock 18C AEP that put it at an average 211fps with .2 bbs. What the difference in chrono numbers means, though... well who knows? Possibly one of the other chrono wasn't properly calibrated or it's a freak difference in manufacturing tolerances between the two Glock 18C's that were tested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FUmiYAsu Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 There's been at least one review of the Glock 18C AEP that put it at an average 211fps with .2 bbs. What the difference in chrono numbers means, though... well who knows? Possibly one of the other chrono wasn't properly calibrated or it's a freak difference in manufacturing tolerances between the two Glock 18C's that were tested. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Back to the can test maybe? just to confirm the results... I think it's about right since there are now two sources that says it's 0.6J... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Or an older G18c. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kingmob3 Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 (edited) Great review, dont forget the pics of the 'box when you crack it! KM3 *ETA* When you crack the mechbox, take a look at the hopup.Is it compatable with AEG barrels? do you think with some work a cut down AEG barrel could be run through a scilencer?or is the cilinder vollume insufficent for a longer barrel? thanks KM3 Edited February 10, 2006 by Kingmob3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygunn Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 The Phillips head bolts on the sights are true to the real steel. http://www.hkpro.com/pdw.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
(V)atrix Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 (edited) One thing I did notice about the sights is the fixing screw it uses a 'Philips' type head which I feel detracts from the overall aesthetics of the weapon and it would have only taken a little effort to replace these with 'Hex' bolts. Edit: nevermind - just saw the post above mine, saying basically the same thing I'd said. Whoops! But then, I got my info from actually playing with a real one, rather than just reading a web site Edited February 11, 2006 by (V)atrix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom2510 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I think i speak for us all when i say... I hate you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wege Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I am suprised at your chronoing of the G18c results. I did mine and it came out with 210-214fps range. I was using (tries to remember)... I think toyjets/toytecs .2 Either way. Mega envy. Awaiting your ripping into the internals now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Docv400 Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Very nice write-up FarEast. I've been wondering what my next AEG would be...I think I know now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Lovely review of a lovely gun. However, I think I'll wait untill this gets cheaper (IT COST MORE THAN MY G3SAS + FULL STOCK FFS) and has a few more accessories. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MooCow Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 agreed darklite... i'm going to wait till i've paid my overdraft off a lil bit first and when it's cheap enough for me... i'll get one it looks damn nice! and pretty well made from what i can see from fareast's review. ALOT better FPS than teh other AEPs and actually looks better and a pretty decent mags as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
You Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Errrr....I heard somewhere that charger wouldn't work in American outlets. Funny looking gun, but that review made me want to get it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FJ2 - Kaye Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Could you be more specific as to why it wouldn't work? Voltage, plug type? US and Japan (mostly) use the same plugs, but US has slightly higher voltage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cali Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 OK, Wupjak just asked me a good question. Since we're dealing with nicd's here, how do we discharge the battery, besides firing? Does the custom battery charger discharge the battery if the charger isn't plugged in? Although the main MP7 manual has English translations at the bottom, there is a separate paper for the charger and battery that's only in Japanese. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KasrkinCK Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Many thanks for the review, was a good read. It has, however, made me decide against buying one. I was eager to get my hands on one but I think it will be too small for me to take seriously. And I'd only use it as an MP5 replacement which is what the weapon was not intended for in RL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duke Togo Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Just got mine. I thought the box would be bigger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
screamin_weasel Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 i have to admit the lack of power has cancelled my interest in this. i used to use an MP5k to great effect, and quite fancied this as a replacement. i ecpected the MP7 to fall short of the MP5k, obviously, but not this short. still - looks absolutely STUNNING, and i bet its built incredibly well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staticzero Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 The only thing better than one MP7 is three: I popped in a battery out of the box and the gun wouldn't fire (of course) so I charged it for a bit. After a few minutes I tried it again and was able to get a shot off. I set up my Guarder Speeder 2000 chrono and fired a few shots from each gun using Excel .2g BBs. Each gun hit between 230-240 FPS pretty consistently with one gun being on the low side (sometimes in the 220s) and one being on the high side (over 250). These are rushed and fairly unscientific results but they seems to verify FarEast's findings regarding FPS. More to come. *stares at light on battery charger* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom2510 Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 why 3? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GlockGuy945 Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 (edited) Any news on upgradability? I know one of you guys has torn into that thing.... Edited February 13, 2006 by GlockGuy945 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hustie Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 The only thing better than one MP7 is three: I popped in a battery out of the box and the gun wouldn't fire (of course) so I charged it for a bit. After a few minutes I tried it again and was able to get a shot off. I set up my Guarder Speeder 2000 chrono and fired a few shots from each gun using Excel .2g BBs. Each gun hit between 230-240 FPS pretty consistently with one gun being on the low side (sometimes in the 220s) and one being on the high side (over 250). These are rushed and fairly unscientific results but they seems to verify FarEast's findings regarding FPS. More to come. *stares at light on battery charger* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I absolutely hate you! Now I have to chooe between selling my CA36k and getting a couple of these or getting more stuff for my M14! curse you cruel world. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staticzero Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 (edited) why 3? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because I was born with four arms, duh. Why not four? Need one hand free for reloading. Or I just did a group order with two of my friends. Any news on upgradability? I know one of you guys has torn into that thing.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not yet... I absolutely hate you! Now I have to chooe between selling my CA36k and getting a couple of these or getting more stuff for my M14! curse you cruel world. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd say you can afford to wait a bit. See what happes when more thurough testing is done and if any upgrades show up soon. For those interested I updated my list of questions with my own observations thus far: 1. Bolt catch - Does nothing. 2. Trigger safety - It works. 3. Front sight - Adjustable for elevation in both positions and allen key for adjustment included. 4. Rear sight - Adjustable for windage in both positions by adjusting the knob on the side. 5. Finish on the metal parts - Typical of TM. I'm tempted to refinish them. 6. Plastic - Similar to the G36C. 7. Rails - Same size as G36C rails? TBD. 8. Gearbox - You've previously stated that the internals are supposed to be sort of half way between AEP and AEG internals, can you now confirm that this is the case? TBD. 9. Inner barrel - It is not a standard AEG inner barrel design, AEG inner barrels are not compatible. 10. Charge time - First charge took two hours and fifteen minutes using the included charger. 11. Selector lever - Feels good, makes nice positive clicks. 12. Selector markings - Same kind of paint as other TM AEGs like the G36C. Probably going to wear off in time. 13. Field stripping - Not like the real thing. 14. Sights - Co-witnessable with an AimPoint or EOTech. 15. Magazine - Dimensions: 105mm x 38mm x 16mm (floor plate 43mm x 28mm). Photo next to other mags for reference? TBA. 16. Butt pad - Plastic 17. Flash hider - No set screw. 18. Hop up rubber - Not standard AEG type. 19. Accessories - What's out in Japan already? What's on the horizon? Any sign of a hicap or long standard mag? What about that battery adapter? TBD. 20. Top rail - Picatinny or Weaver? Specifically what's the slot spacing? TBD but Probably Picatinny. 21. Holstering - Anything compatible? TBD. 22. Battery size - Dimensions: 95mm x 23mm x 14mm. Photo next to other standard battery types? TBA. 23. Battery cells - What size cells is the battery composed of? Looks like 2/3AA most likely. Cell dimension is around 29mm long wiht 14mm diameter. Good quality NiMh 2/3AA cells are available in up to 750mAh. This means there's potential for higher capacity batteries. Higher voltage possible? Remains to be seen. 24. Battery type - Sanyo Cadnica (NiCad) 25. Charger - No discharge function. 26. Magazine capacity - What is the actual capacity? TBD. Two shots drop if changed mid-mag but if it can fire the whole mag remains TBD. Performance: 1. Real world FPS - 230-250 as tested thus far. 2. ROF - TBD 3. Maximum Range - TBD 4. Effective range - TBD 5. Accuracy - TBD 6. Overall battery life (total shots fired) - TBD 7. Realistic battery life (how long until response and ROF get 'sluggish') -TBD 8. seconds to empty a mag on full auto - TBD 9. Trigger response -TBD 10. Hop up effectiveness with .20g and .25g BBs -TBD I'll also add that if you can't get your battery in make sure it's on safe. There seems to be something to stop you from putting it in if the gun is not set to safe. Sensible, really. Also it appears it would be simple enough to add more notches to allow for additional stock positions. Edited February 14, 2006 by staticzero Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wupjak Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 nice rundown, staticzero. how bout discharging that nicd? any insight there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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